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Bridal gown tips and scams to avoid Savvy shopping tips at the bridal shop, saving money, and avoiding scams
BridalTips.com asks...Are You A Victim Of A Bridal Shop Scam?We need to hear from you. Your bad luck can save other brides right now! No matter what category it's in, or how small a scam you think it is, please let us know. We can even offer you tips on how to get out of the scam, or how to seek restitution, and who to report the scam to. If you have questions or want to tell us about your bridal shop experience, please let us know, we like to keep track of current events. Contact Us (Click Here) via the email form on our sister site CarBuyingTips.com. Every bride is looking for that ultimate discount wedding dress when they tie the knot. This article gives you advice from a bride's point of view and offers money saving tips in your search for the perfect wedding dress. You'll get better service from a well known established full service wedding store than most bridal warehouse type stores. Not all brides care to save money at bridal stores nor do they want to haggle over pricing, and that's OK too. Keep all of these bridal tips in mind as you shop for your wedding gown, veil, wedding invitations, and toasting glasses. You don't have to be an expert to know it's a violation of FTC rules to remove labels from wedding dresses in the store, unless its replaced by the shop's own label. We still get nasty grams from industry insiders telling us to shut up and that we are "just whining", but it's important that you know many shops are "pulling the veil over you." Some people don't mind this practice, while others do. We don't approve because it's illegal, it's misleading, unethical at best, it allows them too often to do a bait and switch. You have the right to full disclosure on what you are paying hard earned money for. This is only our "stupid, uninformed, whining" opinion, as industry experts and insiders email us to crawl back into the hole we came out of. Most of the wedding stores you encounter will be very good. But as in any business sector, it is run by the original sinful nature of mankind, who has many financial idols to worship, mixed in with some very classy, honorable shops are some real dungeons of doom. If you thinks that it's Walton's Mountain out there, think again. Some shops don't let you take photos in the store with your perfect wedding dress, some shops don't even allow pen & paper to be brought in. Check out some online forums. Brides are passionate and if they were treated right they'll let others know. But if they were treated wrong, boy will they let others know. Tips when shopping bridal stores
This third strategy above is very effective for visitors of our other site
CarBuyingTips.com.
We tell people to enter the car dealer with "The Folder" of car prices,
research, and free competitive quotes from car buying sites. Many visitors
report that once dealers see "The Folder", scams go away, and the deal proceeds
on your terms not theirs. You should carry this strategy forward into
anything you buy. Once salespeople see your educated, they cannot pull the
veil over your eyes.
Here is an email we got from one of our visitors who got taken when she went to pick up her "perfect wedding dress":
This is why you should have the bridal shop specifically state on your invoice that your new wedding dress will be brand new, not used previously, not a floor sample wedding dress, and will not have any stains, or you will be entitled to 100% of your money back.
So why do bridal shops remove the manufacturer labels from wedding dresses?Many stores tell us they remove the labels because they invest a lot in their operation and don't want a bride to waste three hours of their time trying on dresses, then go order them from an 800 number or some internet store. One store wrote to us "How do you suggest the store handle the customer who clearly states "I can't afford your prices so I brought my Aunt who sews and my camera to try on your samples and take pictures so I can have my aunt make my gown." The other version is that the "customer" is not forthright and takes hours trying on gowns with their seamstress so she can copy the gown. That's a good point as well. Maybe stores can post a sign telling shoppers cameras are not allowed until a purchase is made. Brides should also be more scrupulous when shopping for a gown. But shopping around is the American way. Bridal shops are not the only ones who suffer from "tire kicker" syndrome, stereo and TV shops have customers shopping their stores then buying mail order for years. You can't stop it, you just have to minimize it and deal with it. Instead of whining, these complaining store owners should read The 7 Habits Of Highly Effective People and get with the program. Heck, look at car dealers, they work with probably 30 customers a day and sometimes don't even sell a single car that day. That's life in America. But remember, the shops are too quick to blame 100% of the brides for going to online bridal stores to get a cheaper wedding dress. God forbid they ever admit to the fact that they just did not have the gown that the bride was looking for, or she did not like the dresses she tried on after 2 hours, or as is the case with 50% of the emails we receive, she was treated rudely or ignored by shop employees. While overall there are some absolutely wonderful bridal shops out there, the industry suffers from a severe customer satisfaction problem, and they can blame it on the brides until the cows come home, or they can tackle the problem head on. I have a better idea for bridal shops who hate brides that don't buy from them. Why don't they open a Burger King, where every person who walks in the door buys something! They need to turn this situation around and under their control. Analyze the underlying reasons for success of any business, and 100% of the time, it's the customer service that brings you the business. Brides don't mind paying a bit more to the guy who was the most honest, and looked after her interests, and gave undivided attention. But removing labels, legal or not, breeds mistrust and contempt, which results in a no sale, no matter what the shop's justification is. Brides are paranoid about whose going to over charge them on their perfect wedding dress. If you spook them, they're history. The problem got so bad that the FTC had to reiterate its position in February, 1999. Deposit Tips For Your Perfect Wedding DressYou may need a new, clean credit card for deposits, don't EVER pay cash. If the deal goes south, you'll never get your cash back, but you can dispute a credit charge. More info from the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) about Wedding Dress Labels:
Non-Compliance: Any violation of the Textile Act regulations or the Care Labeling Rule is considered an unfair and deceptive act or practice under the FTC Act. As a remedy, the Commission may issue an administrative order prohibiting the unlawful behavior. Violations of an administrative order can result in a federal district court action for civil penalties up to $11,000 per violation. Businesses not subject to a previous administrative order also can be subject to monetary civil penalties, an injunction, and other remedies -- including consumer redress -- in a federal district court action for knowingly engaging in practices -- such as mislabeling garments -- that the Commission has determined in prior cases to be unfair or deceptive. Brides email us that they hated the snooty attitude of some employees. We are not saying all stores do this so don't misread us. One shop owner sends his clients to this article, and I bet that honesty results in more sales for him. It's up to the store to make the bride want to buy in their shop by emphasizing they have better service than the warehouse or online bridal stores, and by giving them the customer care they need. If brides don't buy from a bridal shop, the owners blame everyone in the world except themselves, they even blame us here at BridalTips.com. You don't have to be an expert to know if a store is overcharging when another store has the exact item for much less. Again, some brides don't care about that, so you decide where you want to save money. You don't have to be an expert to know whether you are happy when you have dealt with a store, or that a shop is ignoring your repeated attempts to call to find out why it's been 6 months and your dress still is not cleaned. Educate yourselves thoroughly, asking numerous questions at every stop of the way from the industry insiders, learning more about each industry, to enable you to make a more informed decision. Don't just rush out and buy from the first shop you visit. Use this article as your guide while you are shopping for your special day. Many stores will be fair, and give you proper customer care. But there are also ones who will not, just like in any business. We also hear complaints like this from brides: "They have not delivered my wedding dress and refuse to refund my money. They are not answering my questions about where the dress is and they keep giving me the run around and my dress is OVER 4 weeks overdue from the time that was agreed upon on the contract. They have LOUSY customer service and they LIE about their prices and tear out the tags from their wedding dresses so that you don't know if the dress you are getting is a genuine dress from the manufacturer. They have had complaints filed against them at the Better Business Bureau and the Consumer Affairs office." This is not just one piece of anecdotal evidence, this happens all the time, every day. One bridal shop emailed this advice for brides Recommended books on wedding dresses and wedding planning
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When you start planning your wedding, the dress seems like the most important detail. Do you want a nice beach wedding dress? Or do you need a plus sized wedding dress? Maybe you have limited funds and just want a cheap wedding dress. Be sure you make an appointment with the shops you are considering. Make it clear to the shop personnel that you have not made a final decision on who the "winning" store will be yet. Let them know what your price range is, and don't play games. After it's over, if you spent a lot on your dress you begin to feel foolish. This feeling grows worse if you spent another $200-$300 to preserve it afterwards. But if you add anything to a dress, prices shoot up rapidly, at any store. You could spend another $450 for additional lace on the front. Also, if your Vera Wang wedding dress has no label when it arrives, how can you know it was a genuine Vera Wang wedding gown? How do you know it's not a cheap wedding dress knockoff? We don't, and neither will you. The bottom line is spend what you are comfortable with. Buy what you want, not what a sales clerk tells you, or even what we tell you! Every $100 you spend on your wedding dress is $100 less you'll have to put down on a house, a new car, or baby items. Bring pictures of gowns from the bridal magazines. If the store does not have what you clipped from the magazine, perhaps they can produce one quite similar or modify a similar dress to look pretty close. This is one of the benefits of a great full service shop. Just make sure the shop you are dealing with has a good reputation that you can verify on your own. There are many examples of botched alterations out there. Every dress that you try on, you need to ask if it has been used. Dresses that have been on display and tried on several times should not sell for full price. Even in the better shops, you'll notice the bottoms of these dresses are dirty because they have been dragged across the floor many times from being tried on so often. Be sure to ask the store if they are authorized to sell the manufacturer's dress, and ask for written proof. Any store who is authorized by any manufacturer should be able to produce a certificate to prove it. If they cannot, then assume they are lying to you, and are NOT authorized. Of course it's best to check with the manufacturer first, or the "authorized bridal shops" listed in designer ads of the bridal magazines. Why are we sticklers about all these little details that industry experts
criticize us for being "anal" or "whining"? The overwhelming majority of bridal shops are good, but get references from people you know. They will tell you if the had a bad experience. You might be better off buying your bridal dress off the rack instead of ordering one if you are in a rush. Many shops NEVER get a bridal dress delivered on time because they are not in control. Manufacturers are plagued by strikes, fabric shortages, etc. One shop told us Eve of Milady takes quite a long time to deliver the gown. This drives the shops crazy, because brides blame them for the problem. You must allow months in your schedule for your wedding dress to arrive and for any alterations. Most dresses have delivery times of 3-5 months. But some shops might scam you by saying that it takes 9 months for your dress to arrive. This sales tactic is designed to scare you into buying today, creating a false sense of urgency. They know that if you walk out of their shop today, they'll never see you again. Sometimes the shops will then get yelled at for something that is not their fault. But failing to return a bride's phone call is their fault. Calling a bride to at least let her know the bad news is better than not returning the call at all. This is because the panicked anger of a young bride quickly vents into contempt for the store. For years I've been saying there would be no recessions and lost jobs, if people would return a phone call once in a while. They might even make a sale. Important up front facts to know before you get in too deep are what deposit is required for your dress, when is the final payment due, and how long will the dress take. We can tell you from interviews with many brides that the dresses almost never arrive on time, so don't accept their estimate as gospel. Give yourself 6-8 weeks margin, don't play it too close. Also have them disclose to you every fee they plan to charge, whether it's bustling the train, a pressing fee, a delivery fee, a garment bag fee, a hanger fee, or any other obscure fee that might surprise you. Some stores also charge you to store the dress for you. All these fees add up, sometimes pretty high. You don't want to be blind sided by hundreds of dollars in fees that you were not expecting. If you decide to store the dress yourself, make sure it's in a good atmosphere, little humidity, and well protected from bugs. Don't leave it stored in a house where someone smokes, it will collect the smoky smell really bad, guaranteed. Oh, It looks Just So Terrific On You! The Veil For Your Wedding Gown
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The above incident is just like the cash flow shell games report about car dealers on our other site CarBuyingTips.com. BridalTips.com Money Saving Tips at bridal shops
Unfortunately, most bridal shops do not allow pictures to be taken in the shop. But once you sign for the dress, they should allow you to take pictures, since some brides cherish this moment. A lot of vendors get upset when they see our comments. Most bridal shops are honest and they are artists at their craft. But guess what folks, sometimes the greedy will feed off the euphoria of the bride. And while vendors get upset by our comments, there's a lot of brides who get upset because they were overcharged, or scammed, or did not get what was verbally promised to them. Nobody likes whiners. At the office we detest people who whine. Whining accomplishes nothing. What makes the sale is a motivated person, in tune with the customer's needs. When a bad situation approaches, it's the take charge people that view it as an opportunity for greatness that get things done. These few complaining shops need to take charge and sell the customer. But there will unfortunately be times when they just don't have the dress a bride is looking for, so they buy elsewhere. That's life. But guess what? If you were good to the bride, she'll recommend you to her friends, sale or no sale. We still recommend people to the stores we did not end up buying from, so think bigger picture. Preserving your wedding dress after the wedding Remember, if they don't put it in writing, it means they won't do it! The information on this site is Copyright © 1996-2012 ConsumerNet, Inc. and is solely for your private use in wedding planning. You may link to us or make printouts for your own personal use, but no parts of these pages can be reproduced, sold or transmitted in any form without our written permission. |
Angry Email We Get From Bridal Industry People "You are not "irreverent", you are a disrespectful antagonist, writing poorly written, disjointed paragraphs about things you are obviously not an expert on. I genuinely believe it is individuals like you who help to create an innate animosity between stores and brides. It is people like you who begin the destruction of a bride's joy during her pre-wedding days by insisting to her that there are scores of businesses out there clamoring to rip her off. Oh, yes, you do add later that there ARE some good, honest stores out there - but it is off handed and unconvincing, and leaves one believing that they are few and far between. Because of your inflammatory writing, many brides will walk into a bridal shop already feeling suspicious and full of animosity. Shame on you. To presume to emphatically state ..."don't wear this kind of veil", "don't waste your money on that "smacks of an arrogance and an ignorance to the huge diversity in brides and their preferences. Who cares if your priority was to skimp on mail order invitations and spend $500 on jewelry? This entire page seemed like a contrived method for you to ramble on about your own wedding, which is of incredibly little interest. You ridiculously contradict yourself over and over, claiming that a bride will reward good service with her spending dollars, and then describing over and over how you went for where the bargains are. You didn't mention good service ONCE when you talked about slips, glasses, invitations, etc., preferring mail order (where is the service in THAT?) over the shops. You're right, mail order is cheaper - they have no overhead. Do not, however, imply that customer service has much of anything to do with a bride's purchasing decisions when a mail order alternative is available. Nearly every bride I've ever known will go to extraordinary lengths to save a few dollars. You make profoundly insulting remarks about shops that code dresses with their own store numbers. You base this entire premise on the fact that a bride is too stupid to judge the quality of a gown based on an inspection of its' appearance. She needs, you suggest, to know who the manufacturer is so she can judge her value. This argument is preposterous and you know it. Later you tell the truth... a bride wants to shop around for price, and this is why brides prefer to have the manufacturers tags left in. You immaturely call people who complain to you about this "whiners", which leads me to conclude that either A. you are nothing more than an antagonist, or B. you do not grasp the levity of the situation for bridal stores. A store can spend tens of thousands of dollars meeting minimums to carry any one line in their store. A store who never invested a dime on a line will promise a bride that they can get her that dress (via drop shipping), they just need the manufacturers number. This happens a thousand times more each day than a bride getting "ripped off". They have less operating overhead, because they don't invest much in samples, and shoot this bride a price that is difficult to compete with. She just has to find somewhere to try the dress on. Worse yet, a bride can take nearly any manufacturers number to the internet and mail order the dress for a price that is impossible to compete with. A store might try to be competitive on dresses, hoping to make up some sales on accessories, invitations, etc., but not if people like you have your say, because that's all a "rip off" too. The fact of the matter is this - you are as detrimental as David's Bridal to the institution of bridal wear vendors. Quality stores are closing at an UNPRECEDENTED rate, because they not only can't compete with the sweat shop prices of David's, they can't compete with mail order and drop shippers. Eventually, if everyone left manufacturers information in the dress, there would be nowhere to try on the dress, because no business would carry samples. How could you afford to? Do not kid anyone by even suggesting that a bride would spend $75 more for her dress because she "loved" her experience in the store. Those brides are a rarity, and if you have spent any time at all near this industry, you know it. They are like you, they go where the bargains are. With the advent of the internet, those bargains simply are not in a retail outlet. It is unfortunate that you can't equip brides to be buyer savvy without trying to be the boogie man - scaring the heck out of them and making them intrinsically dislike bridal stores. Don't kid a kidder - you are not doing them a service. I have seen the cast-offs of your school of thought... they generally have a miserable time planning their wedding and in the end were no better off than if they had assumed the vendors were actually trying to help them, not cheat them. Yes, there are bad stores out there, but it is THEY that are few and far between. Unhappy brides are out numbered 10 to 1 by happy brides, but it is unhappy brides who often speak the loudest. Do not misjudge the bridal industry based on a message board. Your readers deserve a more honest version than that." |
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